Well, r The Emporium is taking on the experiment Well, the shotshell fits in the chamber of this single shot 45/70 rifle It will also fire, but with donutshaped patterns due to the rifled barrel to answer your question, the light 'Trapdoor' loads kick about the same as a gauge slug, or maybe a 12 gauge lowbrass load, though recoil can be a subjective thing The 'Trapdoor' loads however, are by no means uncomfortable in any 45/70 I have ever shot one in, including a H&R HandiRifle and a Ruger #1, both fairly light Henry Lever Action 410 Shotgun and Shells Henry Repeating Arms has come out with a new lever gun It is a 410 shotgun that is built on the same action they manufacture their 3030 and 45/70 rifles
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45-70 vs 410 slug-The redux of the Browning ABolt slug gun is in 12 gauge only, so if the ABolt is what you want you don't have a choice of gauge In general, yes, the gauge is the better platform for rifled slug guns for deer That may change, though, based on future ammunition and rifle advancements As always, the individual likes what he likesIF the 45 LC accuracy wasn't being ruined by jumping the 15 inch gap to the barrel!
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4570 H & R Rifle Shooting 410 Shotgun ShellsWarning this can be dangerous use your own judgement!Recently my friend Pete read an article online stating And for good reason; The 12ga is just as effective as the 4570 at this range, but the 4570 might be a better choice for picking off game at loooooooooooonger ranges the only drawback (IMHO) is the 4570 is pretty much a stout gun for all loads fired, and
In Illinois, we cannot use a 410 for shotgun We can use 12ga sabots and slugs We can also fire a 30 carbine, 444 Marlin, or 4570 from a pistol, just to name a fewI have heard one guy say that in his foolish youth (and lacking the right ammo) he and a childhood friend shot at (and hit a few) rabbits by chambering 44 Magnum in a single shot 410 It offers 7 or 8 rounds of slugs as fast as I can pull the trigger I also have a couple 16s in 4570 They are a touch slower to cycle, but have more range and better pinpoint accuracy * I tend to carry the 12 gauge while packing meat back to the plane, if I am done hunting Or out berry picking
i'd been thinking 3030 or 4570 then the tamer came along that is when i noticed gauge foster slugs are $1 apiece, while 4570 is about $2 apiece, and 3030, $170 apiece (i am a longtime handloader, but i'd just as soon use storebought ammo for the time being) 4570 is kind of hard to come by;4570 is an ideal cartridge for hunting deer, black bear, feral hogs, moose, brown bear, and other big game in thick woods or heavy cover where short range shots (>100 yardsWhat'll happen if you do?
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The 410 as we now know it took shape in 1911 when the bore diameter was reduced to 410 Some shells were head stamped 12mm/410 giving credit to the German origin of the paper cases At this point, I should clarify The 410 is a caliber, not a gauge Yes, ammunition companies print their ammo boxes 410 Ga, but that's a misnomer In addition to shooting shot, you can also shoot slugs out of a smooth bore barrel If you are taking closer shots (less than 100 yards), a smooth bore may be sufficient The projectile looses energy after a shorter distance than a rifled barrel because it doesn't have as much spin and yes, I said it doesn't have as much spin A grizzly is tough experts advise on slugs vs buckshot Jim Cockfield Re Buck Shot vs Slugs Lin Evans Don't forget archery Zidar Or JuiJitzu Frank from AZ
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410 shotgun shells aren't the first thing to fly off the gunstore shelf So I picked up a couple boxes of the only option available 25inch Remington American Clay & Field shells, ½ ounce of size 8 shotYes However, shooting deer with 410 slugs is illegal in some jurisdictions across the US A 410 shotgun can kill a deer with the right shot placement and if fired closer than 35 yards I haven't done much in the past with 410bore slug loads This is because much of my 410 shooting has focused on dualcaliber 45 Colt/410 handguns which produce lousy groups with 410 slugs
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The 410 bore is one of the smallest caliber of shotgun shell commonly available (along with the 9mm Flobert rimfire cartridge, and the less common 22 rimfire shot shell) A 410 bore shotgun loaded with shot shells is well suited for small game hunting and pest controlThe 410 started off in the UK as a garden gun along with the 360 and the Nos 3, 2 and 1 bore rimfires 410 shells The introduction of 410/45 revolvers has created an incentive for ammunition makers to start taking the 410 seriously again For many years people wanting to press a 410 into self defense service would be forced to use slugs, which while basically 45 caliber were so light that they didn't achieve the kind of terminal performance of 45$1050 /$042¢ Per Round Rating (s) 5 5 (65) 65
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Actual field tests reduced that distance to about 150 yards for a deer sized target and this was with the 4570 government, or (45 caliber, 70 grain powder, 405 grain slug) Thew newer 4570 shell could do long range, these same marksmen could double the range of the government using the I own a Ruger PC4 40 carbine and a 410 shotgun The 40 would be head and shoulders above the 410 slug for use on deer As stated above, the 410 slug only weighs about 80 grains vs 180 for the 40 The bullet diameters are similar Apparantly it can be done but the 410 rim diameter (0524) is smaller than a 4570 (0608) so you may have extraction issues There is some discussion of it here 410 in a 4570 I always thought the thing to do would be to just load up birdshot in a 4570 case as if you were loading an all brass case
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Conventional Foster type rifled slugs generally weigh 1 ounce in 12 gauge, 4/5 ounce in 16 gauge, 5/8 ounce in gauge, and 1/5 ounce (or 87 grains) in 410 gauge The 12 gauge slug has an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 1560 fps from a 2 3/4" highbrass shell, 1680 fps from a 2 3/4" Magnum shell, or 1760 fps from a 3" Magnum shell The 410 can fire a rifled slug around 125 yards but it will have dropped about 12 inches and have lost around 70% of its energy What else can you shoot out of a 45 70? 4570 vs 12ga slugs Jump to Latest Follow 1 16 of 16 Posts 4 4anda5 Registered Joined 129 Posts Discussion Starter #1 How would you compare the recoile of lets say a marlin 15 in 4570 to a Mossberg 500 or 590 with 12g 3in and 2 3/4 in slugs
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Compare in stock 410 bore ammo from the top online retailers to find the lowest price Find Bulk 410 bore ammunition fast and cheap with Americas best ammunition search engine Consider 410 shot gun shell, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 4570 What else will go in and shoot?A 410 shotgun will shoot and kill game birds at anywhere between 25 and 40 yards At the 40 yards range, a good shot is going to have to be fired as the shot pattern is less dense The 410 can fire a rifled slug around 125 yards but it will have dropped about 12 inches and have lost around 70
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Based on no experience whatever, I would think that 4570 would be better A long, heavy hard lead or jacketed bullet would penetrate better than a fat, stubby slug, and there's a lot of meat and bone to get through to hit the vital organs of a big bear One point in favor of the slugs, though, would be that semiautomatic shotguns are much 1 4570 Government First adopted by the US military in 1873, the 4570 Government has been one of the longeststanding biggame cartridges of all time It's also been incredibly popular among Alaskan hunters and guides, especially in leveractions like Marlin's 15 Guide Gun , which is compact, fairly lightweight and highly Many of us have heard you can shoot a 410 shotshell from a 45/70 rifle Is this true?
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In truth nothing could be further from the truth It's VERY under powered compared with larger gauges and isn't any more accurate Also for people keeping their Taurus Judges loaded with 410 slugs, they would be MUCH better served with a healthy loaded 45 Colt cartridge than 410 slugsThe 410 bore shotgun is made on Henry's 4570 leveraction rifle frame I live in the country;Not too long ago there was a bear killed by someone that was in the guys shed He shot it with one shot with a 410 shotgun and dropped it on the spot But at the same time don't under estimate the power of the shotguns using the slugs too
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Unlike the 4570, the mild recoil of the 410 means that the metal never bites into the shoulder Henry Side Gate Lever Action 410 butt plate (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutgunscom) As it is a 7 lb 410 bore, there's very little recoil with this shotgunNow, if you throw some buckshot in there, or make some REALLY stout loads of your own, you might have a small argument in favor of the Judge Here's a link and an excerpt from one report The slug breaks up and also has less range than the rimfire rifle he said In this niche, there is nothing quite as capable as the 410, he asserted Our experiments confirmed his assessment of the 410 slug Another interesting development is the introduction of the Taurus Judge in 45 Colt and 410 bore
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You'd be FAR better off just using the 45 LC in a pistol, than a 410 slug! These handguns offer the flexibility of firing a variety of projectiles such as 45caliber bullets, slugs, birdshot, buckshot and 410 specialty rounds However, being#38 RBCD Ammo Vs The Box O' Truth #39 Oil Vs Primers #40 Deflected Bullets and the Box O' Truth #41 The Taurus Judge Vs The Box O' Truth #42 Precision Shooting With Buckshot #43 Buckshot in a Rifled Shotgun Barrel #44 Shotgun Chokes and Buckshot #45 Shotgun Chokes and Buckshot Part Two #46 Shotgun Slugs, Sabots, and
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While a 410 shell carries a lesser load than a 12 or gauge, it still packs similar velocity in the pellets Can a 410 Shotgun Kill a Deer?A shotgun shooting slugs is typically less accurate than a rifle, although adequate for close range bear protection The common 12 gauge/437 grain (one ounce) rifled slug has a SD of 117, which is low However, a 12 gauge slug is heavy and measures about 72Each individual slug is more than capable of killing a Grizzly with one well placed shot So you can certainly use it for hunting them Being attacked by one is different because he now has adrenaline coursing through his vains If you miss, he wi
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No way will the 4570 fit in the chamber due to the larger diameter head If you want a longer case to work with, take a 444 Marlin case and fire form it in your 45/410 handi When the 444 Marlin case is blown straight out it has a 452 slug capability when is the 4570 when blown straight is a 475cal The slugs we'll set aside for now, as they work similarly to very large pistol projectiles Shot, the common term for a collection of round projectiles fired from a shotgun, is packed into a shotshell atop a wad Larger shotshells like 12 gauge can shoot larger payloads of shot than smaller shotshells, like the 410 boreWhats the grain/weight of the slug and the FPS/energy were talking about with the 410 slug??
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As desirable as a big old 70 caliber hunk of metal may seem, that also is a limiting factor in their penetration The Brenneke slugs have pretty much run neck and neck with 405 Woodleigh bullets at 1900 fps in my 4570 when run through various testing media
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